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# Flock Wants the Most Detailed Map of Its Surveillance Cameras Taken Offline

94 points · 44 comments

[Full discussion](<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49884363>)

[Read original](<https://theintercept.com/2026/09/24/how-many-flock-devices-in-united-states-300000/>)

Category: [Safety & Privacy](<https://hacksnap.live/?category=safety-privacy>)

## Skept-o-meter & Hotness

Skept\-o\-meter: Low\. Estimated from 9 comments\.

9 comments for the summary\.

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A researcher's map claims 300,000 Flock devices by querying an unauthenticated token, but Flock denies any breach and the takedown request came from a third party\.

## The brief

Cybersecurity researcher Joshua Michael published a map of what he says are 300,000 Flock surveillance devices, based on location coordinates he retrieved from Flock's own database via an unauthenticated ArcGIS token\. The map, cited in a Senate hearing, shows more than 170,000 cameras and 130,000 supplemental devices, exceeding Flock's public claim of 120,000 cameras\. Flock says it has never been breached; Michael says the company either knew and stayed silent or failed to detect his access\. A third\-party firm, Doppel, later filed a trademark complaint seeking the map's removal\.

- Michael archived a December 2025 snapshot of Flock's records and used an access token found on Flock's website to query ArcGIS for device locations\.
- The map color\-codes devices by model, including Falcon cameras and Picard processing units, and lists names such as 'FBI Pilot Camera' at FBI headquarters\.
- The Intercept visited six random Arizona locations on the map and found a Flock camera at each indicated coordinate\.
- Flock published a January blog post saying it had never been hacked and its cloud platform had never experienced a data breach\.
- Doppel, describing itself as an AI\-native social engineering defense platform, filed the trademark complaint claiming to act on Flock's behalf\.
- The map shows clustering, including 860 devices near Chicago O'Hare at the Rosemont Public Safety Department, and cameras inside detention centers\.

## Discussion themes

Analyzed: 2026\-09\-29T10:02:29\.705376\+00:00

Analysis sample: Based on 9 of 9 usable stored comments. Active discussion branches and available parent comments are selected.

This sample may omit parts of the full thread. Selected themes do not measure community opinion or how common a view is.

### Privacy for public officials vs government transparency

Commenters debate whether officials should be highly transparent while citizens keep privacy, or whether politicians need a balance; a reply argues choosing office implies greater scrutiny and loss of privacy\.

Sources: [Comment 49885166](<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49885166>) · [Comment 49885268](<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49885268>) · [Comment 49885370](<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49885370>)

### Political backlash against surveillance

One view expects public pressure to grow and officials to change their stance once they realize they are also under surveillance\.

Sources: [Comment 49884707](<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49884707>)

### Surveillance business incentives and regulation

A sarcastic proposal to start a data\-selling camera company highlights concerns about surveillance business models and the lack of regulation\.

Sources: [Comment 49885256](<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49885256>)

### Article framing and source of takedown complaint

A commenter argues the headline overstates Flock's role because the takedown request came from a third party, Doppel\.

Sources: [Comment 49885038](<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49885038>)

### Legal liability for the map creator

A commenter asks whether the map's creator could be held liable if Flock can show the map was used to destroy cameras\.

Sources: [Comment 49884790](<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49884790>)

## Sources & coverage

AI-generated summary · 2026\-09\-29T10:02:30\.184241\+00:00

Based on 9 of 9 usable stored comments, selected by depth and branch activity. This is a sample of the discussion. Article text may also be shortened.

Generated using deepseek\-ai/DeepSeek\-V4\.1\-Flash. Check the linked sources for full context.
